It's still too bad that Mac users are only three percent of the market share.

u do realise that three percent is also the amount of wise people compared to simple people?

It's not the size that matters... it's what you do with it!

Eden just posted his follow up video. Check out the link at the bottom of the story for more information.

If wise people type without capitalization, and prefer to type "u" as opposed to "you", I question the definition of the word.

Of course, it will upset you to no end to point out that some of the features Apple touted as new in Tiger. . were presented in Windows Vista (then known as Longhorn) before Apple even considered adding them to the OS.

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha...

Take Dashboard for instance. . Microsoft introduced a sidebar to integrate small applets into the UI. To counter this, Apple does the same thing Microsoft did, and steals ideas from Konfabulator/DesktopX (take your pick). Then to ruin their credibility even more, they claimed to invent the entire desktop applet genre. Funny, seeing as how the same thing has been available on Macs and PCs for the longest time. Next, you have desktop search. Of course, what's old is new again here too. Nevermind the fact that the ability to search a computer's files has been available in numerous forms since the 70s. Apple takes a desktop search bar, sticks it at the top of the screen, claims to invent that first too, and calls it a day. Oh yes, what innovation we have here. Claims of innovation are untrue here as well. The creation of a desktop search bar has widely been credited to Google, although it too has existed in third party apps for the longest time. (Disclaimer: The highly overused word "innovation" has been used in this paragraph with the permission of the copyright holder, Microsoft. HA!)

Come on folks, are you really so threatened by the other 97% of the world that you have to cling to a company which grubs just as much money as your sworn enemy? The inappropriate use of a dollar sign belongs just as much in M$ as it does in MacO$. But apparently, using a dollar sign and creating videos like this soothes the community. I frankly, do not understand why you people view yourselves as "better" than the rest of us. You hold on to a company, that in your eyes, doesn't wish to suck up every dime because they're too good for it. Then when the battery in your iPod dies, Apple will give you the choice to either buy a new iPod, or charge you almost as much to replace the battery in your old one. Nope, they're not looking for money. Not no way, not no how. And you know, Apples are so much more reliable than Pcs. After all, it's normal to replace the motherboard in an iBook five times.

Finally, you have the ultimate betrayal. Your savior, Steve Jobs, has sold his soul to one of the Devil's Minions, Intel. Altivec? Emulated by a Pentium now. I guess the G4 and G5 really aren't that great, are they? Your OS is all that makes you different now. And frankly, even that is being bastardized. .

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_P...

What's really humorous, is that Jobs does not have enough confidence to take MacOS and sell it for PCs. Why is this? Is it perhaps because MacOS has nothing better to offer when compared to Windows or GNU/Linux? Or is it because he's afraid that if Mac users can get their favorite OS on another company's machine that he'll loose profits from Mac hardware sales? Gasp! Theres that evil "money" concept again.

To the person who wrote under the name "Mac Users" - that's pretty darn strange feedback you've got there. It makes me really wonder what your beef is.

Just one question though and we'll leave history to sort itself out. The question is, if this so called "longhorn" already all these whizz-bang features before OS X, then why did OS X come out to market with these features quite a long time before longhorn?

Wow, what a load of anger.

A. Sparrow

I am a mac os x user, but I am not blind to it's short coming. I wonder why should I pay $130 for a tiger upgdrade for no apparent differences? How do some applets, a search bar bundled with panther improve my real computing experience. Why I struggle with an incompatible brower like safari that even doesnt work well with a javascript? Hell, have to tried to change the size of any window in mac? You gotta find that tiny anchor all the way bottom corner to do that, how dumb? Finder is a worst thing I have ever seen compare to explorer.

The only good thing about it is it is a toy with eye catching graphics. Now it seems when Vista is coming up with same thing the mac os camp has gone crazy.

Heh, I work on both, I prefer the Mac, by far. I also prefer my BMW, over my Ford. I also love my Honda over any Harley I've ridden. It's me, i'm different, I think different, and I dont care whos on first. I have Mac Os X on my laptop of quality hardware, and it works, great. I have it, right now, I'm typing on it, right now, in a Safari window, I see this webpage. Do you see? Do you see the difference? Hello, are you still there, or are you reloading drivers?

Mac OS X User II, if you don't see the difference between Panther and Tiger, I think you've opened the wrong box.

An incompatibale browser might be, but it is still mosaic based which makes as compatible as anything else.

Additionally, the reason I changed to mac was because I am one of those odd people who value reliability and functionality and such things as the little Tab in the bottom right hand corner doesn't actually bother me.

You know being the type of person that I am means that I tend to worry about whether the software actually works, the computer doesn't go up and down like a Yo-yo and when I want my computer to do, it actually does infact do-it.

Other things like security issues were a concern, but let's not talk about those, shall we, because somehow that wouldn't be fair.

No mate. I'll stay with Mac - it actually works!!!

Have Fun

A. Sparrow

I am so happy that I switched over to a mac last year. I still have to get used to the idea that I can actually read this whole page without having to read error reports or to restart my system every hour. It is a way more realible and stable OS! NO WAY I am going back to windows again.

It would be great though if power and knowledge would be united to create the best computer ever. Bill could design the plastic bag for to cary my new computer home, and please steve: DESIGN THE REST!

i don't care who makes more money...just quality os minus the hassle restarting the os every so often and wasting my life away searching for "compatible driver".

Mac Users said that Yet, he places punctuation outside the quotes and, at the end of his diatribe, writes, . Question all you like, Mac Users, your words speak volumes.

Sorry, my previous comment used html characters, which caused significant quotations to disappear. Will try again.

Mac Users said that 'If wise people type without capitalization, and prefer to type "u" as opposed to "you", I question the definition of the word.' Yet, he places punctuation outside the quotes and, at the end of his diatribe, writes '...he'll loose profits.' Question all you like, Mac Users, your words speak volumes.

Dudes, they are computers. Use what you like and leave each other to enjoy life. Whew.

I'm with JK ... live and let live. I've used both, I love Mac, but before Windows was very compatible with Mac, everyone with whom I did business used Windows, so I switched back. Hoping with next purchase to see very little interface difference.

"What's really humorous, is that Jobs does not have enough confidence to take MacOS and sell it for PCs. Why is this? Is it perhaps because MacOS has nothing better to offer when compared to Windows or GNU/Linux?"

Confidence? Your comments PROVE you know nothing about the Mac platform at all. Seriously. You really don't get it.

If the G5 isnt that great then why is every game console maker using it now?

And lastly, it's spelled 'lose' not 'loose'. Loose is what your mom is.

Variety is the spice of life. If you don't care much about interface differences, then why not buy a Yugo rather than a BMW -- they both get you from point A to point B. The Yugo will even do it far less expensively. Or how about making do with a small screen Emerson TV instead of a 40" Sony Wega flat screen TV with HD? OK, there's no need to belabor this thing anymore. Obviously, people are going to buy whichever product they think will give them more bang for the buck, provide better service, and look better in their garage or livingroom. For me, it's Mac OS, even as it was for Bill Gates when he licensed elements of Mac OS from Apple to create Windows 1.0. And, yes, I know that Apple was inspired by the Xerox Star and Alto computers, which were marvels in their time. However, the Star (or 8010), for all the beauty of its 1024x1024 pixel display, was a ponderously slow behemoth. Apple, in creating the Lisa, followed shortly by the Mac, took Xerox's ideas, improved on them, made the OS faster and more responsive, and actually brought to market a computer for "the rest of us," which Xerox, for all their innovative ideas and technical brilliance, could not.

He wrote "Next, you have desktop search. Of course, what's old is new again here too. Nevermind the fact that the ability to search a computer's files has been available in numerous forms since the 70s. Apple takes a desktop search bar, sticks it at the top of the screen, claims to invent that first too, and calls it a day." Whole post was a bit unfair but this is absurdal! If u are saying that spootlight is ordinary search tool stick in front of desktop it means u have never used Tiger. The revolition about spotlight is not placeing it on the desktop but the search engin powering this tool. U should at least read about it, maybe u will understand!

"If the G5 isnt that great then why is every game console maker using it now?"

Consoles use a PPC design because its cheap. Its nowhere near x86 performance. And consoles, read xbox360, doesnt use a G5. But another simplifed PPC design.

A 1.2Ghz P-M is faster than Xbox360 tricore, but the P-M is more expensive.

By FastEddy on January 7, 2006 at 3:12 AM

I have it, right now, I'm typing on it, right now, in a Safari window, I see this webpage. Do you see? Do you see the difference? Hello, are you still there, or are you reloading drivers?

---What the ?

By Mac Users. . .

This guy's a f*ckin' moron....

@By a Mac user:

-You have had some of the best poinrs I've read in this never ending "MY OS is better than yours" argument I've seen in quite some time. Keep it up.

@codemonkey:

You cannot be serious. It never ceases to amaze me how Mac fanboys have it stuck in their heads that they are some higher form of intelligence because they own a Mac. I happen to disagree, you just have more money to waste. Elitism at its worst.

Take it from someone that has done both Mac & Windows support for the better part of 5 years (I'm only 22). Both groups of users are equally dumb, just to different extremes.

Personally I find it really disgusting how far Apple went out it's way to make OS X user friendly and so many people STILL don't "get it". For those curious, I actually have spoken to quite a few people that wanted to go back Windows AFTER using a Mac because they found it "easier". Go figure.

If MAC is so fucking superior... please GOD explain to us how it has such a tiny market share?

Is it because only stupid dumbasses who have money to flush down the toilet buy these over-priced candy bars? Or is it because Macs simply suck and no one makes software for it and you are stuck with Apple's offerings and have to spend $300 every year to buy another Mac OS update with two or tree addition apps and bunch of non-sense features.

Or, it might be because some people just can't stop jerking off to Steve Job's giving a keynote at MacExpo in a black turtle neck and blue jeans. Weird mofo.

Windows crashes every hour because of bad programming..right? Not because when you see a banner that guarentees you a million dollars and you click on it and now have spyware because you accepted the ActiveX applet that was installed. Try learning to use a PC before you go crying to Steve Jobs to come rape you in the ass.

I can't believe you all would think 1 mouse button is better than 2 or 3 or more mouse buttons. I hate that one Mouse button thing. Its not like I got only 2 fingers. Razor Copperhead PWN Apple Mouse. The spamming of Ipod design. Apple is another Sony to me. They want to set every rules of everything, thinking that standard is their enemy. Squeeze every bucks out of every workable industry. I used to love them, but not anymore. And by the way, is Creative who develop MP3 Player, XeroX who develop GUI, Mouse, etc. Stop saying Steve is innovative. But he is more of a visionary... Like Bill Gates but a more innovative one.

(Typo changes made) I can't believe you all would think 1 mouse button is better than 2 or 3 or more mouse buttons. I hate that one Mouse button thing. Its not like I got only 2 fingers. Razor Copperhead PWN Apple Mouse. Nice good interface design huh? The spamming of Ipod design. Apple is another Sony to me. They want to set every rules of everything, thinking that standard is their enemy. Squeeze every bucks out of everything that earn. I used to love them, but not anymore. And by the way, is Creative who develop MP3 Player, XeroX who develop GUI, Mouse, etc. Stop saying Steve is innovative. But he is more of a visionary... Like Bill Gates but better one.

Microsoft Windows > *

Read this you assholes:

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Vista's visual theme looks and acts nothing like OS X's "steel and jellybeans" theme. The Windows file browser and Finder are drastically different. Flip 3D is more akin to Alt-Tab than Expose. The taskbar in Vista shows live previews of EVERY window when you mouse over its name while the OS X dock only show live previews of minimized windows. Alt-Tab has been injected with the same instant-live-preview functionality (of course, this was available in XP through a Microsoft plug-in, but no one really uses it)...this is not present in the OS X application switching interface. The Sidebar, and accompanying gadgets, are Microsoft's take on the Konfabulator engine (I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications).

"Windows crashes every hour because of bad programming..right?"

You can't be FUCKING SERIOUS dude... I agree, it used it be like that, but it more than often due to other non-Windows software (you see there can be problems when an OS has over 100,000 software apps for it, unlike OSX). But with the NT Kernel (2000, XP, Vista...) there's no such issue... I have practically several months in uptime on my XP.

Because... As of 2005, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has an endowment of approximately US$28 billions. If you use microsoft product, you know you are helping the world. This is just a joke. :X

Before Vista rolls out, I have been seriously looking into OS alternatives prior to upgrading hardware. Lets all be honest here, this is not 1998. Stability and performance is NOT an issue for any OS these days. I have been using Windows, various Linux distributions and OSX Tiger heavily for a few months and have found serious grips with all of them. Windows must improve security and require fewer reboots for patching. Linux needs better standardization and vendor support. Lastly OSX; the interface design, while very pretty, is not a natural match for my work flow habits with a large number of open windows

Currently I am in favor of Windows Vista right now. Mostly due the communities. Windows users and forums are more frequently helpful, friendly and welcoming. Linux forums feel cold and elitist. OSX forums have been just downright bitter hateful and filled with FUD anytime something other then Apple is mentioned.

I don't care why this is the case, but it has really turned me off to using OSX and makes me feel like Apple will not succeed in growing substantial market share while the community continue acting like a scared cornered dog, snapping at anything else that comes near.

ERR404

Hey Anonymous,

You are showing yourself to be a loser when you start swearing at people.

Secondly, it's you who is losing your cool - you're acting like a damn fanatic.

Grow up or get lost, infact the world a favour and do both, and take your fanatic hell fire and brimstone with you, you loser.

Don't know how to use computers .... you dipstick, I was building them nearly 30 years.

Get Lost you weirdo!

A. Sparrow

Last word, when you get enough PC fanatics drunk they always say "I'd buy a Mac, it's just too expensive!" and that is the long and the short of it.

PC lovers would transfer in moments if they could but they just want to play games and way.

...Mac users, look yourselves in the mirror - its ok to show disapointment. Remember with Vista, there are other things than nice looking graphics beind added, so it is coming late to market. All apple do is add a couple of nifty features and say - here, if ur computers less than 2 years old, buy this upgrade now. if not then buy a new Dual G5, and get similar performance to a crapp 2.4 Celeron pc running windows ;)

the reason windows crashes is because of other programs. Remember windows runs alot more programs than mac's. With technologies such as DX10, applications and games are going to look better than ever possible on a mac, due to true vertex and pixel shading. Sure you guys have breakout...super breakout, and the occasional port.

Oh and to the guy who said somthing about drivers...Drivers need to be updated regularly, especially video drivers. Monthly releases from ATI, means i never have problems with the latest games.

Acutally, Apple did invent "widgets" by way of NeXTStep. The subsequent clones, AfterStep and WindowMaker, also had these min-app widgets long before anyone ever heard of Konfabulator. Many of the alternative Windows shells and Linux desktops have had them for years as well. Personally, I find them "neat" but mostly useless and redundant in the end. MS really missed the boat on them and their time has come and gone. After the coolness factor wears off, no one really uses them.

I'm a WinXP user. Outside of rebooting my computer when installing/uninstalling software, I never shut my laptop off, and the only time Windows has ever given me a blue screen was when my hard drive died. I've left my machine running for weeks at a time (using an application to keep the processor running cool) and it will neither slow down nor crash.

Actually, if today is Saturday, then it's been five days since I've rebooted my computer, and the only crash I've had was Firefox going down once, which isn't Microsoft's fault.

I don't care which is original, I don't care which you think is better. I'm a Windows user, the OS has NEVER crashed in the year or so I've used XP with SP2, so shove it.

re: MS really missed the boat on them and their time has come and gone. After the coolness factor wears off, no one really uses them.

Seems to be one of the few successful trends of Microsoft ;)

Macs too expensive? Try the mac mini for $500 Not enough apps? If you are a gamer I agree otherwise what do you want? One Button Mouse? Uh, I've used a two button mouse ever since I switched to mac. Why mac has small market share? Just because you have a superior product doesn't mean you automatically gain market share, it took me until the second rev of OS X to switch becasue windows was so better until OS X came out, time will tell. The money thing? "Mac Users" Every company is out to make money, but not every company lynches all their technology from small companies as they try to take over the world (IE Microsoft) Yes, I will give you that Mac did this to Konfabulator.

anyways...this whole argument is pretty dumb and filled with misinformation.

Back in highschool, when I was just a teen, I saw a TV program that showed a building sized computer. They said they input data and the computer printed out a number computing the data. That's when I turned to my father and said, why don't they build one of those small enough so that we can all have one. Then I wouldn't have to type my school reports over five times to fix the typos. He stared at me. I said there's no reason they can't build them smaller. He said it wasn't possible. I said it was possible. They just think computers need to be big. They could make them so that I could type and retype a word and print it out for me perfect the first time. There was a conspicuous inmarked white van parked across the street. It belonged to no one on the street. Inside was surveillance equipment. I'd seen it parked outside that day and a few blocks away months later. When computers first came out I told a friend that cameras would be used to put video on computers. He said that he still remembers that I said it before anyone else and before the technology came out. Turned out he worked for Speilberg whose company later was funded by Paul Allen. Months ago I started a topic online about domestic spying and asked why we put up with it when all of our ideas can be stolen. A friend has sent me an email from New York saying it's ironic that I started the conversation with him weeks before the "shit hit the fan."

That's all this woman has to say about spying.

Further to the many spying incidents, at my pad one evening after an evening out to dinner, I was discussing with the same friend an idea I had about making a robotic vacuum. I discussed the design, funtion and shape with him. In a year the Roomba or whatever it's called, came out. I'd had the idea for years, but when I voiced it, it was stolen.

This is thanks to domestic spying. I understand they can listen into your conversations through any electrical appliance plugged into an outlet, a toaster, a radio. They eavesdropped and stole my idea through my alarm clock/radio. My friend did not steal my ideas because he still has the same house and cars.

inmarked van = unmarked van

Further to eavesdropping, though the snowboard was trying to be invented or 50 years I had no knowledge whatsoever about it when just out of high school I went skiing with two surfers. They weren't getting the hang of skiing. After watching them tip over in rigid position I decided to give them some visuals to help them ski. I told them to visualize the skiis as a surf board. They still plowed unsuspecting victims down. One tipped over like a frozen stick figure, the other plowed into a ski school of children. He plowed straight into them unable to stop. We went up and down the lift and decided they were in need of a break so we headed into the ski lodge for some hot liquid: coffee, hot chocolate beer and some food. We sat down at a table facing the slopes. The room was packed with hungry skiers milling about in large unsightly ski clothing. I sat tried to explain to the two surfers, my boyfriend and his best friend, how to visualize the skis as a surfboard and to flex the knees and dig into the snow with the side of the skiis. They said nothing. We sat in silence recouperating. I stared at the skiis. I visualized a surfboard. I said outloud, What they need to build is a surfboard for the snow. A snurfboard. A surfboard. A snowboard. They need to put two or three pairs together and cut them to the shape of skiis, but probably smaller. I realized I'd just come up with a new invention. I looked behind us to see how many nosy bodies had been eavesdropping. I saw one guilty looking brunette man who sort of looked at me and then cast his eyes down. I couldn't accuse him or warn him. I stared him down. He looked away. He looked sort of French. Mid twenties to 30. Sitting right behind me listening to every word. The theif. I turned to my skiis and stared at them. I kept talking all day to my surfer friends about the shape and realized I could not go to anyone, any company and tell them because they would steal my idea, especially a ski maker. Plus I didn't have the money to make a prototype and invest in R&D. But I always thought I'd beat everyone to it in a matter of time once I graduated from college. NO! The thiefs stole it before I could figure out who to go to. I went to a college friend in an engineering course but his head was up his arse and only thinking about surfing and girls. His classwork was lame and he was designing crud that was too large, like a phone that was as ugly as it was too big. I thought it would be tough to guide him to see my vision. I dropped him as an engineer. But that's what you get for nothing. If I had money to pay him maybe he'd have been the right person. Too late. The uncreative morons stole my idea and got all the credit for creating a new sport, when it was I who created the new sport with yet another of that many visions of mine.

Oh, but I'm merely a woman. Why should I get any credit or profit from my own ideas.

You are mainly an idiot.

Hundreds of thousands of folks, male and female, have THE SAME IDEAS AS YOU... Almost none of them GET OFF THEIR ASS and make the ideas REAL.

So out of all these hundreds of thousands of folks all telling everyone about their idea, trying to get $$ to create their inventions, they somehow ONLY heard you.

You. No one else.

You are a self-absorbed idiot.

Your ideas are NOT rare, NOT special, and neither are YOU. Not until you make an idea REAL.

Now shut up until you have something to offer besides whining and complaining...

Hey hows that game with the really sweet graphics.. DENIED.

Dell/XP Pro Bought 2003, and only rebooted for updates. Use Mozilla (now using Firefox) and avoid pop-ups and adware (d/l "no ad hosts"), and any PC will run great.

Hey there XP Pro!

"any PC will run great!" LOL

Not the brightest bulb in the old bulb factory, are ya?

blah-blah-blah-macs are better.

blah-blah-blah-pcs are better.

how many computer geeks can dance on the end of a pin?

choose your friggin' poison, you geeks.

I just posted an update to the end of the story above. It explains why the QuickTime movies have been replaced with Flash based versions.

Thank you all for your comments they are a lot of fun to read!

One of the many Anonymous's wrote: "(I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications)"

Uh, Apple was using mini-apps a long time ago, called Desk Accessories, back in System 6.0 for Mac: 1988. Therefore, Apple did NOT steal from Konfabulator (OR Microsoft) the idea of mini-apps/widgets/applets or whatever you want to call them.

The top five Windows problems:

1) Viruses. 2) Infections. 3) Spyware. 4) Trojans. 5) Adware.

What a perfect acronym for the latest from Redmond!

Well, I my 'puter running xp has been on now for ~3 months without a single restart/crash/virii atack... its just a crappy old p3 thats stable as hell. Really the onlything that makes windoze so much better is just availability of software - makes it alot easier for us poor college students to get the needed software!

Macs on the other hand are over priced systems... stable yes, pratically no virii's out there, and are great for high end desktop publishing... but really thats all their good for, I recently had my company (we publish 2 newspapers) switch from some old G3 iMacs to a new P4 xp system and production has doubled since... granted the p4 greatly out peforms the G3 but really the point is that unless you really have a need for a killer desktop publishing workstation working on videos or texturing, then a 500 buck HP or Dell system will work just as good, saving you lots of $$$.

I guess the mac's would be alot better if there were more software vendors out there... biggest problem with the mac, their too propriatary...

All n all, macs are cool, but their a specialized machine, if you are just surfing the web and doing basic desktop publishing, save your money (or get one of those new sleek mac mini's, not a bad price!)

The software I need is on the Mac. I am a UNIX programmer and computer scientist. In my dock: Terminal (cygwin and putty don't cut it), X11, Mathematica, XCode, Shark (awesome profiler), Emacs (my sub-OS), iTunes, Opera. From the command-line I have all the tools I need, as well as subversion, ruby, apt, latex, nethack... the switch to and from linux is painless. I have a windows box. It gathers dust. Sometimes I trip over it.

If you're a student or like me, the mac is fine choice. If you're a gamer or your company has "Windoze" written into its Standard Operating Procedures, you're not choosing Windows for the merits of the OS anyway, so why pretend the OS is that great?

"Actually, if today is Saturday, then it's been five days since I've rebooted my computer, and the only crash I've had was Firefox going down once, which isn't Microsoft's fault. ... I'm a Windows user, the OS has NEVER crashed in the year or so I've used XP with SP2, so shove it."

Classic Microsoft apologist. Funny, when my apps misbehave, I just kill the process and the OS chugs on.

A while back I had to show my grandma how to connect to the internet, read her email, and browse the web, all using Windows. This was *much* harder than it should be, and I wish Steve Ballmer had been there to see it.

1) "What's Norton? It's making things slow, so I got rid of it." 2) "I forgot how to find xyz. Where do I click? ["start"] and then? ["programs"] one click or two? 3) shortcuts don't work because she can't always find the desktop 4) icons on the taskbar are too small for her to see or successfully click on. 5) "I lost the page I was looking at. Where is it?"

Basically, she memorized sequences of actions and if at any step along the way something wrong/new happened, she was lost and I'd get a phone call. Nothing was intuitive. (Note: being computer illiterate sometimes just means you have your priorities right.)

"Better" is always related to something else. Let's just say that xp is better than w98 and that Mac OSX is better than mac OS9. Be honest; It's impossible to compare OSX with XP. We'd need some good test standards to actually compare and judge the quality of the OS. Let's not fight about ho is good or bad. Good or bad compared to who? Is Steve better than Bill? Is a mac user arrogant?

The person who can produce reasonable test standards (and can find a windows machine which doesn't collapse after 10 minutes of testing) will be the only person which is able to say which OS is better. Though he'd need to show us his test standards.

My short opinion; Both OS have problems. The big difference is (for me) that a problem on the XP system is mostly hidden and shows itself when it is too late. Solving the problem takes a lot of time and an expert will be needed.

A problem on the OSX system will immediately result in a brief report which tells you what the problem might be. Or if there is no report the problem is at least visible.

In the meanwhile I am enjoying life. I am happy that I had the money to buy a mac G4 powerbook and I hope that a lot of people will discover how relaxing computing can be. I started using the mac 1 year ago and the first week was terrible. I had to stop thinking the "windows" way. I was searching for drivers, trying to uninstall aps by searching for "uninstall" files, and I got nervous. The basic thought was:"nothing went wrong until now". I am still connected with the internet and my computer didn't freeze". Since that didn't happen for a week a little voice was telling me: "something really bad will happen very soon". That didn't happen until now....and I have the feeling that it will not happen....

Have fun using your favorite OS. If we want to worry or fight about something let us worry about the people dying of hunger every second of the day.

"Better" is always related to something else. Let's just say that xp is better than w98 and that Mac OSX is better than mac OS9. Be honest; It's impossible to compare OSX with XP. We'd need some good test standards to actually compare and judge the quality of the OS. Let's not fight about ho is good or bad. Good or bad compared to who? Is Steve better than Bill? Is a mac user arrogant?

The person who can produce reasonable test standards (and can find a windows machine which doesn't collapse after 10 minutes of testing) will be the only person which is able to say which OS is better. Though he'd need to show us his test standards.

My short opinion; Both OS have problems. The big difference is (for me) that a problem on the XP system is mostly hidden and shows itself when it is too late. Solving the problem takes a lot of time and an expert will be needed.

A problem on the OSX system will immediately result in a brief report which tells you what the problem might be. Or if there is no report the problem is at least visible.

In the meanwhile I am enjoying life. I am happy that I had the money to buy a mac G4 powerbook and I hope that a lot of people will discover how relaxing computing can be. I started using the mac 1 year ago and the first week was terrible. I had to stop thinking the "windows" way. I was searching for drivers, trying to uninstall aps by searching for "uninstall" files, and I got nervous. The basic thought was:"nothing went wrong until now". I am still connected with the internet and my computer didn't freeze". Since that didn't happen for a week a little voice was telling me: "something really bad will happen very soon". That didn't happen until now....and I have the feeling that it will not happen....

Have fun using your favorite OS. If we want to worry or fight about something let us worry about the people dying of hunger every second of the day.

u say you cant compare to anything??:S:S will i think you misjudge that one!!! its very easy take 2 pentium's 4 and both have the same ghz and same ram and same harddisc and the same videocart etc etc. now format both çomputers completly install at 1 computer windows xp and one computer macintosh. run some seriously tests on it and look wich one first crashes,and if not when and where does problems ocure? compare the test results and now u know wich OS is better:)

Yes I don't say that it is impossible to compare them, but I think that it is almost impossible to design the right tests. Does mac osx run on a P4 anyway? Not (yet), right? If yes, please somebody do a proper test and clear up the sky!

I think it is nice that some people want to play the mediator and act the Zen buddhist by proclaiming "all things are equal", but it does get a little tiring and extremely boring when people are insulting, they swaer and they down right prevaricate.

Many people have now converted to mac and are very happy to stay because of the end user experience. Most of us, if not all have extensive experience with PC's and XP and you name, and I would think, when someone is honest, truly honest, the mac experience after using windows is extremely pleasent.

I personally used windows for years, and I assure all these fanatical participants, unless something very, very, very bad happens with Apple. I'm not going back to MS.

Nothing personal, but the end user experience in terms of reliability, security, customer service, etc is really much. much better than with PCs.

As to the reliability factor, someone on this very forum prclaimed thhat they had their PC running for 3 months or more. I don't like calling people liars 'cause I don't like it myself, but in my mind and my professional experience, three months without a reboot on any MS based machine is stretching the belief. I won't say it is impossible, but I think in someone is "having a lend of us".

3 months - yeah maybe for a mainframe, possibly for some UNIX systems but for much else, my experience say a big "Nah!!, Not damn likely."

Have Fun.

Sparrow

You can check out the video from Las Vegas at: http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvideobig/1455/Wind...(Part_1)

There are two different videos to watch. Pretty cool stuff!

If Apple could write it's own OS core instead of using a matured, existing Unix core then maybe a fair technical comparison could be made between Windows ans MacOS X. You see, OS cores are hard things to develop. Drawing cute stuff on the screen is much easier. Even Microsoft can't do everything at once. Since they developed their own OS core, cute little drawings dragged a little behind...

If Apple could write it's own OS core instead of using a matured, existing Unix core then maybe a fair technical comparison could be made between Windows ans MacOS X. You see, OS cores are hard things to develop. Drawing cute stuff on the screen is much easier. Even Microsoft can't do everything at once. Since they developed their own OS core, cute little drawings dragged a little behind...

Mac OS8 and OS9 - both very stable and niether were UNIX - developed in house.

One could easily forget that MS originally purchased MS-DOS in the beginning, but of course, we shouldn't mentioned that now should we.

What an odd thing to say Barros.

Viel Spass!

Sparrow

Please, everybody...

Just shut the XXXX up~!

Use whatever OS you want. Stop wasting time bashing each other.

Go ahead and use your VISTA...

Oh, I mean... "WAIT" for your VISTA.

While I enjoy my OS X...

Mac OS8 and OS9 were hardly stable. MS may have purchased the original DOS, but that was simply because Gary Kildall didn't want to give IBM CPM. Bill had a week to get an OS, what's a guy to do.

Of course Apple had to pay $450 million for their OS, NeXT in 1996, and it still took them over 5 years to release it to the market. All this after they spent millions and years to write their own mature OS with no results (copeland anyone?)

LOL man this is a funny lines of comments! Do you guys really put this much energy into your OS preference? I just like trying different OS's and seeing what direction folks are trying to take computers.

Whoa! Sorry when I posted the result page threw a nasty error!

Rebooting an XP machine? Say what???? Apart from some not soo good software (like Creative's) I don't to reboot ever in months....

erik

You don't reboot? Ok, what you are saying is you DON'T install any patches or updates (of which XP has about 10 times more than Macintosh).

No patches or updates? Say what?????

By VISTA on January 8, 2006 at 12:53 AM

The top five Windows problems:

1) Viruses. 2) Infections. 3) Spyware. 4) Trojans. 5) Adware.

All those are User Errors. I have run my XP box for 2+ years with not one infection and it stays live except for reboots for patches.

Run 'no ad hosts', dont install anything you are not 100% positive is clean, and some normal firewalling with DHCP and NAT and you are all set.

Not comparing OS's, just saying XP is a solid OS and with some small amount of user prevention can be as clean as anything else.

As for WHY Windows is the target of all those things, Market Share. MacOS is protected by its own exclusivity. I guess the cost is just one more type of firewall.

All those are User Errors.

User Errors?

Joe Sixpack should LEARN SYSTEM ADMIN???!

Why oh why oh WHY is XP set up OUT OF THE BOX to get hosed?

You blame the USER!!?? For what? Pointing and clicking?

When XP WARNS me when a program is being installed, THEN it will act LIKE IT SHOULD, just like my mac...

Vista will exist at some moment and time in the future and when it does it will be cool.

In the meantime, if you want many of those cool features that Vista will have, but you want them right now, then switch to OS X.

Don't worry, you can switch back to Vista as soon as it comes out. Nobody will stop you. :->

windows users suck balls.

Whoa, it's amazing how brainless some people are. WinXP fanboys and Mac OS X switchers (not longtime users or multi-OS users) are all soooooo stupid. Uhhhh… It hurts to read gibberish like this.

Quick comment. Another poster had a very interesting comment about trying to teach his/her grandmother how to use WinXP. I had similar experiences, but using Mac OS X, and pre-OS X in addition to WinXP/ME/98/95. I have discovered that old people tend to like Mac OS 5-9 best. Mac OS X is too crazy and confusing. Windows XP is absolutely unintuitive (totally based on memory and getting used to the OS). I find it very interesting how old school Mac OS’s turn out to be most intuitive and logical.

One more comment. Have you hardcore WinXP fanboys ever tried to do basic networking with WinXP?? Like share files between two computers, or even set up shared internet and printer connections. If you haven’t, it’s practically impossible without an internet walkthrough or guide. Those M$ wizards are about as useful as the clip dude. Why oh why can’t they respect the end user a little more.

lol sharing files or printers in xp is hard you say? lmao sorry dude but it has to be the easiest thing to do. Just right click the HD, click sharing tab, check the box "Share this folder on the network" and walla ur done.

Printer share? just as simple, right click the printer, click sharing, and check the box "share this printer" and there ya go, shared.

Not saying mac is any harder, just saying that xp is really easy to setup sharing, I guess your too used to mac (not cutting you down, had the same prob trying to share macs at the office awhile back, took me awhile to fig it out)

oh and internet connection sharing? just as easy... just click the properties of the device you want shared, goto the advanced tab, and click the check box next to "Allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection" and walla, don't even have to setup gateway's or IP's on the other systems, they auto config... how dandy is that?! :)

1. Mac Users, Zach, r2d2, & XP Pro: you're d*ckheads. 2. Why do most Mac bashers misspell a lot? 'Cause they're not the sharpest tools in the shed. Losers.

*sigh*

Okay, I've never used a Mac before. "Blasphemy!", I hear you scream. "Eat me!", is my reply.

You really can't compare Mac's with Windows-based machines. They serve completely different functions. Each one is brilliant in their own way.

Myself, I've never had any problems with Windows. My PC has never crashed, blue-screened, rebooted or frozen. Maybe it's all to do with how diligent you are when installing apps, who knows?

I treat my PC like gold. I don't install anything that is not an original. I do disc scans, virus scans, spyware scans and adware scans regularly. I don't surf dodgy websites. I ensure that I reboot after each install and remove older versions of software before installing newer versions. I clean out my registry every so often. Defrags are scheduled to run once week in the middle of the night. Etc, etc, etc.

Now, although this may seem like a cumbersome process to all you Mac users, the fact is, these tasks all run in the background while I go about my business. And to all those Windows users that don't follow these tips, this is why you seem to be having so many problems in the first place.

Macs are primarily used for graphics design. I'm not a graphics designer. I like my Windows-based PC but respect those who use Macs for their own particular reasons. I really don't undersand why you guys are so resentful of each other.

Get lives, ffs.

I risk, no, I AM dating myself with the following. But I have learned to learn from history, if that can help me make some money. If some tactics in history have turned some people into filthily-rich, perhaps applying 1% of those similar tactics myself could help me become 99% less poor.

Try living in a place where data-stream-(fish)hooking-up is child's play and you can experience first-hand how "hole-ly" Win/IE can get, regardless that similar hooking-techniques can be used on Mac connections because ISP hard/software setups can ALL be based on Wintel/Linux servers. Live in another place like Singapore then you'll appreciate why "loopholed" technology has it benefits for the big-boys to control usage. I learned about computers fresh out of HS from IBM on S360/S370/System-3 and 4033, and the smaller or personal ones after that, in all sizes and flavours. Right now I'm waiting for the Intel-Apple boxes (strictly a personal choice, no need to bash me) so that I might hope to run Tiger, Linux AND whatever Windows would be the current "daily special" at the greasy-spoon -- all at the same time on the same box. The world has variety and I want to take advantage of that. Maybe Intel-Apple would give me that chance. I almost switched to an iBook in 2004 but good thing I waited for Tiger, now there is much more worthwhile things to wait for, I think.

Although privately I would have wanted the IBM boys to be more sauuve in business and marketing so that my real choice of OS (OS/2) does not have to relegate to being only a specialized breed today, and I can enjoy true multitasking instead of suffer from semi-pseudo-multi wintasking every single day!!! (If you didn't know OS/2 is still in use today, now you do.)

(Resending, in parts, part 2) Windows only gained huge sales figures at version 3.0, not by functionality or quality but by sheer marketing tactics. Many who bought Win3.0 for their Apple hardware in those days were ill-informed. (I'm not an Apple hardware user, just a wannabe, although someone donated a Lisa to me for collectibles.) The others bought it to play Solitaire because that was all it could do and look pretty without stopping at fatal errors. I couldn't even use Word or Excel when my then boss bought Win3.0 for me. I stayed with WordPerfect 5.1 and Lotus 1-2-3 for PC-DOS until Win95 came out. (MS-DOS 5.0 then had its own share of bad press as well as issues, but that would be a totally different story.) Win3.0 came to market amid M$ delaying its contract duties to develop OS/2 with IBM. Funny how before that OS/2 co-op contract M$ programmers didn't know how to do multi-tasking programming or graphical GUI???

To rub more salt to that wound of stalled contract duties, M$ cornered ALL the floppy suppliers LONG before Win3.0 was ready (never was it ready for business) for sale. In doing so, OS/2 could not get enough floppy makers to help bring it into packaging units.

Of course, if you want to verify the above, news records or other old brains like mine can attest to that.

Then again, history can show you how Win3.1 came to replace 3.0, but bugs made it necessary to bring out 3.11 soon, and the lack of true business usage in 3.1 or 3.11 brought about 3.11 for Workgroups. Meanwhile, ties on that ill-fated OS/2 contract were severed too-earlily and left the M$ programmers learning in the dark for rolling out "consumer-paid-for-beta-test" versions of delayed NT4, and even more-delayed Win2000. But that tie had to be severed at that time, otherwise ... you are all wise people, and you can draw your own conclusions from there.

(Resending, in parts, part 3 of 3) I am not being harsh to use the words like "learning in the dark" at all. Just recount the versions of Win95s, and the Win98s, and (problematic is not enough as an adjective) WinME. Multiple Windows versions to correct bugs in the previous ones that were released to correct previous bugs. At least they are now called SP's instead.

The last words today: marketing is the key. Windows has more software packages to run on it and is installed on more PC's, is mainly due to marketing tactics. Win3.0 to Win95 did generate a lot of cash and made many new M$ millionaires. One of my former neighbours was one of them. Mac/Apple has a smaller market-share is partly because its early marketing tactics were not targetting the business community. Many Windows programs would stall/hang/crash is also due to marketing. M$ does not release everything about its kernel. Try running, fro instance, under Windows, WordPerfect and M$ Word side-by-side as I often do and you'll see the difference. And some last words for laughs: for non-English-speaking countries, most of those (97% you say?) learning both English and computers only need to know two words in English: "Please Wait..."

Someone please tell the boys at Apple/Mac to humbly learn from W. Gates' marketing tactics and soon there would be another huge multi-billion dollar endowment from Apple to help those less-fortunate, and PC users in the business community would also benefit as an afterthought. That would really be nice.

And my next Intel-Apple purchase will make me feel proud that I am supporting a good cause, somehow...

Actually, Amiga invented the widget long before Mac or Windows.

In my opinion cute little graphics is the key... and the user interface is THE NEXT BIG THING. The Core on the other hand should provide good hooks and gatways for devlopers on a broad basis using standard protocols! The way to get to a goal and the ease of use are the criteria that can be choosen to compare the OS's. What come bundled in and what do I have to pay extra for. An my big wish for the future is : better accessible and free knowlege interated the same way itunes works for music...

Really difficult to comment on a product that has not yet been on the market. It may be the best thing since sliced bread. On the other hand, it just may slice up all the work on your hard drive. I'll wait to comment on Vista until the fatal errors and security patches begin to arrive... I at least know that will invariably occur. Of course, I'll be viewing all this on my faithful Mac...

So sad to see that all you losers true selves come to life on an internet forum because there's no threat of any social or other retribution. Just cause it's the internet everyone becomes an asshole. You all suck, Mac and Winblows people alike. Grow up, stop acting like 12 year olds.

The simple fact of the matter is that both companies have borrowed from other companies. If you don't want your ideas copied/stolen, then patent them. That's what it's for. The simple fact is also that the Mac was first, and nearly every product Microsoft made in their early days was for Mac, because there was no such thing as Windows.

Also, those of you Winblows users who are comparing "Vista" to Tiger... get real. Until it actually hits the shelves, "Vista" is vaporware. Go ahead and make your comparisons, by the time it's out, 10.5 will be shipping, and MS will once again be copying in Apple's dust. (Oh, and the reason MS has 97% market share is because they use illegal tactics in the marketplace, after all, they are a convicted monopolist, in both the US and EU.)

When push comes to shove, I use a Mac, though I have to use Winblows as well. Both are stable, both are fast on their hardware. The difference is functionality. You can do pretty much all the same things on Winblows and Mac, the difference is that in Winblows I have to send a tech support request and wait days for it to be done, and then deal with the shitty superior attitudes of the IT people. With Mac, if I don't know how to do something, I can always figure it out in a matter of minutes, and you know what? It just works.

what is windows? ist this the beta of a OS from MS for the year 2395 names "ah4fm3" ? lool

"In my opinion cute little graphics is the key... and the user interface is THE NEXT BIG THING."

Exactly. This is the mentality of Mac users and why there is only a 3% market share. I use my PC to DEVELOP, not just to watch the latest episode of Desperate Housewives while I'm putting together a video of my son playing t-ball.

"The difference is functionality. You can do pretty much all the same things on Winblows and Mac, the difference is that in Winblows I have to send a tech support request and wait days for it to be done, and then deal with the shitty superior attitudes of the IT people." Brilliant. I was wondering who the people were that still call tech support. Gimme a break. The only people who need tech support are people who don't know what the hell they're doing.

Tmaster

"The only people who need tech support are people who don't know what the hell they're doing."

Silly Tmaster - People who don't know what the hell they're doing? That would be 98% of the people out there using Winblows...

That's the real world...

If PCs were cars? No license, no training, no turn-signal, no oil-changes EVER would be standard. People driving 120 mph in FIRST gear, watching 25 channels at once while negotiating a turn right into granman Jones cottage...

The MOMENT computer users catch a clue OR the moment the Winblows interface follows any logic at all, THAT'S the TRUE beginning of the 'cyberspace revolution'...

There's one thing that should be said about the whole Gaming Platform G5 bit... When the good people at xbox started development for their 360, did they work on windows machines... no. They bought G5 Towers. And even the first public trial of the 'xbox 360' wasn't actually of the xbox 360. The wonderful gaming console they saw wasn't doing a damn thing, the game was being run on... you guessed it, a G5. (and on a personal note... '360'... what's up with that, just because they're doing the PS3 doesn't mean you'll sound inferior by calling it the xbox 2... xbox 360 just sounds slightly... dumb.)

Vista is not VAPORWARE you morons.

Ever heard of thepiratebay.com?

Go download and install it yourself.

Oh, and before I forget... you need a Personal Computer to do that... you know the one where you have the choice of which OS to install.

Why would you want to pirate that hunk a junk vaporware? So you can do disc scans, virus scans, spyware scans and adware scans regularly. don't surf dodgy websites. I ensure that a reboot after each install and remove older versions of software before installing newer versions. clean out the registry every so often. Defrags are scheduled to run once week in the middle of the night. Etc, etc, etc.

Too rich.

I can't see why anybody would like the engage in this flamewar anymore. Everything you say has been said before. I switched about 6 months ago and I am very pleased with my choice. Having used OS X for a while I find XP crude and primitive, but doesn't mean I don't get pissed off by OS X's little quirks. Let's just agree that none of the systems are insanely better than the other, they just suit different people in different ways.

YAWN

Being in computer business for 15 years, starting at IBM, having learned assembler (!) on mainframe. Switched to Mac in Summer 2002, Powerbook G4, 800 MHz processor, 512 MB RAM and 40 GB hard disk, wireless LAN integrated.

- Uptime since then 3 years and 6 months. - 15 system restarts because of new software versions. - 1 system crash in an early version of panther after playing with some system internals. - running the latest version of OS, OS X 10.4.3 with no performance issue. - no slow apps - using 2 users at the same time always - apps active: MS Word, MS Powerpoint, MS Excel, Pages, Keynote, iTunes, iPhoto, ColorSyncUtility, Preview, Address Book, Safari, Mail and a FTP client. - running in an heavy Windows environment with Windows Server 2000 printing, external disk mounts etc at the client site. - no hardware errors ever - no driver problems

My problem is: I don't have any need to buy a new computer. The new ones are only 2 times in clock speed, but who cares? All my tasks are going in a blink of an eye, so why buying a new one?

This was different when using my windows laptop. I really like dedicating my spare time to Windows users helping them just running their systems. I would be jobless when every system on the client's site would crash only ONE time in 3 years, six months...

Just see what happens today peecee weenies.

You sad tossers will be queueing up to buy Macs in 2006.

You said ignorant weenie kiddies. I pity you.

So tiring. Whoever is claiming that MS invoates - you're dumb. Plain and simple. Also, this stuff about mac users thinking their superior - read the windows posts! I use both. Both have value. But the anti-mac jealousy, or confusion, or plain stupidity is WAY more disturbing than anyone that likes either platform 'too much'.

Why do people get so worked up? Clicking on a banner ad - that you're only likely to get on a windows box - that installs an ActiveX control... you're defending that as user error? Uh... Yeah. Let's not all be blind. That's a crap situation. The WMF situation is crap. The hours and hours and hours and hours I spend cleaning up windows for other people - is crap. Just because you have a windows box, doesn't make this stuff go away.

So, mr 22 year old-just began my computer career, everyone's stupid. Being stupid on windows makes your computer unusable.

Why is everyone so scared of apple? WHY DO THEY ONLY HAVE 3 %.. blah blah blah. go read the history of personal computers. It isn't because the OS is bad..

Windows is so sloppy. Period. Comparing a list of features became irrelevant long ago. If you are crying about konfabulator or widets, or dock previews, you need to relax and try using both platforms. You'll become less stupid in your comments. Also, claiming that Apple stole features of Longhorn - which doesn't exist at this point - is silly.

Blah blah blah. Thanks for the video, folks. It was funny!

I didn't read down all the way, so this may have already been stated. In response to the small market share:

The small market share had nothing to do with the quality of the Macintosh. It had to do with the quality of management at Apple. When Apple fired Steve Jobs in the 80's and had a more traditional CEO take over (John Scully), it was screwed. The early 90's defined the PC revolution. An traditional CEO had no clue how to keep up.

Look what has happened to Apple since Jobs returned in 1997. It is arguably one of the most innovative companies in the tech world. It is definitely the only tech company so intricately woven into pop culture.

As for Vista, it will be the same Windows, built half assed. Only now did they come out with some of those cool features that OS X has had for years because it took a while for MS to figure out how to rip them off.

Peace.

(And don't come back with some "Macs suck" rhetoric. You probably do not know what you are talking about.)

Why shouldn't Microsoft incorporate the cool functionality from OS X into Windows? Mac users should take it as a compliment! As for me, I think Macs are fun, but I have a serious investment in PC hardware/software... so I'm happy to see that Mac features I like will be integrated into the OS I use most. No need to argue, folks.

Hah, now we're compting on the same grounf - the same base chips and processor.

As Jabett quotes, ms copied some of macs functionlity and as someone else said, it was already in the Amiga.

Eitherway, the mac announcement is good. Intel builds good processors!!

Good on Steve Jobs!

Well Done!

Sparrow

Confidemus,

It's really strange for a Powerbook to have an uptime of 3 years, and only 15 restarts. It seems to me like you don't take our laptop with you anywhere...

Well these are rather interesting comments, while "mac user" did say a lot of stuff to upset mac users, his points really don't carry much if any weight, with the dashboard/Konfabulator comment exception, it really doesn't matter. The Mac os did get sold on other computers other than mac hardware but that was the biggest mistake that apple made because they were and still are a software AND hardware company, not just software like Microsoft. That whole point in Apple's business life almost killed it because they WERE sell the os, but not on the hardware they were designing so they ended up losing more money then they were making. So apple stop that and focused on making the hardware and software as compatible as possible, which is why you get a stable machine. Yes the fact that apple does things like this make the computers more expensive, even with an Intel chip in the machine, it will be different then if you get a similar PC. So even if Microsoft had all of those ideas in there new os, the search, the applets, etc. Was all of this even working nearly as well as it is on OS X, I would hope so but even that doesn’t mean it does. Even if Microsoft had started longhorn ages ago and had all of the improvements that Apple has in Tiger, why is it that it still won’t come out till late 2006, if they really had all of that then something would have happened by now. Anyway, that iBook problem seem to be something that has happened to a very small amount of people because i still have a Mac from 14 years ago with stock hardware that still runs, and even have a 5 year old Powermac G4 with stock hardware with the exception of a 256 RAM upgrade and it still is running as well as the day I got it. So to be honest that iBook problem can’t be apples fault as I have never heard of any problem that is even remotely similar to the one that you say has happened. To be honest the only thing that I can think of is that the owner of the iBook is very careless and might not understand that water and the motherboard of running computer don’t mix well. And as for the iPod battery problem, http://www.ipodjuice.com/, this kinda solves that one for what, $30, and even better batteries.Yeah I know that apple didn’t come up with this but still, its not like you have to got through dell or HP or Alien-ware to fix your computer, so I kinda think thats a dead-end. And so what Job’s decided to switch to the Intel processor, he might be an innovator and one hell of a salesman, but he’s always been an ass so who care. Its not like the Intel in a dell and in the new Macs are going to be the same anyways because Job’s is so anal about it being to his standards that it doesn’t really stay the same. Yes it might be similar but not the same. So really I have no idea what any of your gripes are about because I can’t see the really problem in anything other than yeah apple needs to make money and yeah Konfabulator was kinda copied but they never really took of till OS X made it better, but the fact is that now Vista is still playing catch-up with really everything that Mac OS X really is. Ok so its 2:32 AM, I need sleep now.

Hi there,

Ever tried to uninstall "Internet Explorer" on a (freshly installed) XP computer? If not, try it!

But please don't forget to make a backup of all your data on an external source which is NOT connected during uninstall (and at the moment you have to do the format of your harddrive again.)

Also remove all flamable materials from the room your machine is in. Wear safetyglasses the moment you press "uninstall".

That's the biggest difference for me. On the mac at least it feels I have choice to use the software I Chose! On the XP machine if feel I have less control over my software and how it is used.

The best example is uninstalling Internet Explorer. Please windows XP users, try it! (But don't forget that backup!)

Sorry for my crap English writing. I suck at it (but at least my powerbook stays awake..).

No need to fight about what's better or not. Try both for a while. I have used windows computers for several years and I think they are just not that good as my powerbook.

Hi Barros,

sure I do. But You're right. When going into an airplan I shut it down. This has been for about 20 additional times in this three and a half years. When driving in a car it only sleeps. Anything wrong with this? I have a brenthaven bag, which covers it nicely.

Best, Fernando

Hi Confidemus,

Hey man, just teasing you, don't be upset... It's just that I have a lot of fun with these discussions. In reality, I do use Windows but I really don't have anything against Macs. I don't use OS'es I use applications, so I really don't care if I'm running Photoshop on XP or OS X, it works on both.

Are you portuguese by any chance?

Regards, Miguel

PCs Suck. They're always going down. Owning a PC is like a spring. It goes down, it comes back up again, it goes down, etc.

Not only are they going down and up and down, etc, the software doesn't do as it is supposed to do- if it even stays running.

Yeah sure there's a lot more software for the PC, but most of it is crap. It's like a electric bowtie or some type of computerized electronic toothpick. It's worthless.

I'll stay with the Mac. At least, the software on it actually works and it is, most of the time, useful.

MS has a good word processor, a good spreadsheet and a middlin' presentation package - anyone should be happy with that. The rest is rubbish. Bill and Co should be happy wih that.

Oh and MS Project - Bill G. should really sack the people who write that. It is the worst Proj Mang package that has ever been released. I mean really, it is so bad. Give up. You make these people go and get a day job. Start busking or something. MS Project should be banned. It is total crap.

Have Fun.

Spatz = Sparrow

Hi Miguel, no problem, my father is Spanish, but originally I'm German.

Yes, it is about using apps and being productive. Since using a Mac I'm far less in system administration and system recovery as in my Windows time and I'm more productive. But some of best people I know are using Windows machines, so it might be that using a inferior system does not effect the basic human qualities...

Best Fernando

I just posted Episode 3 of Eden's series. See the link at the end of the story above for a link.

Oh... I want this in quicktime to keep it! :-(

While I love OSX (getting the new laptop ASAP).. the problem with this article is you are only focusing on the user level features. The real interesting stuff is the network/internet integration, the new deployment tools, all the under the hood stuff (especially the new audio engine).. But Mac Zealots only tend to look at the surface.. thats why they shout about the strength of OSX Unix foundation yet they don't know how to use unix at all! The UI is important as hell but for us engineers the real exciting stuff is happening under the hood..

Well, Nebo those are some of the points I was gonna go for, but at 2 in the mourning things don't always got the way I want them too. The unix foundation is probably the best part that, even I have to admit even though ive used macs my entire life, that even I forget about cause Apple does a good job with the user interface that you forget its Unix now. It feels even easier than any other os, including the previous OSs. Although with the direction that windows is taking, and that even I think that the programers at Microsoft have alot of potential, it just doesn't seem like Microsoft is putting nearly the effort that Apple or the various Linux programers are putting into their OSes. Not that the Microsoft programers aren't good or competent, maybe just not as motivated as the other companies, and that could not have anything to do with the programers themselves. Ok that was a little long winded, sorry bout that.

Well, Nebo those are some of the points I was gonna go for, but at 2 in the mourning things don't always got the way I want them too. The unix foundation is probably the best part that, even I have to admit even though ive used macs my entire life, that even I forget about cause Apple does a good job with the user interface that you forget its Unix now. It feels even easier than any other os, including the previous OSs. Although with the direction that windows is taking, and that even I think that the programers at Microsoft have alot of potential, it just doesn't seem like Microsoft is putting nearly the effort that Apple or the various Linux programers are putting into their OSes. Not that the Microsoft programers aren't good or competent, maybe just not as motivated as the other companies, and that could not have anything to do with the programers themselves. Ok that was a little long winded, sorry bout that.

I am an apple user.

I have no opinions, needs or desires that are in conflict with apple. If it's good for apple it's good for me. If it's good for me, but bad for apple, then I oppose it. If it's good for me, but apple doesn't offer it yet, I oppose it. When apple tells me that it is good for them, I will change my mind and support it. I need no choices because choices mean I can choose something other than apple, which is bad. Therefore choice is bad. Unless apple gives me a choice, then choice is good.

Apple's success means I have been successful at making apple successful. If jobs is happy I am happy. If jobs is angry I am angry. I have no opinions other than jobs'. When something new comes out, apple will tell me what it is and tell me how much I want it. I can tell if apple wants me to have it because they will sell it to me if it is good, and not sell it to me if it is bad.

Apple gives me all the choices I need. I can load music on my ipod that i download from apple, rip from my cd's or pirate. Piracy is good because apple permits it. If it were bad they would prevent it. Pirated music helps sell more ipods, which is good for apple. So pirated music is good.

As of today intels are bad, feh, I hate them. IBM power pc's are good. As of whenever Apple switches, IBM power pc's will be bad. I will hate them. When intel cpus sit in a mac they will be good. When they sit in a pc they will be bad, crappy dells. I will hate them.

The Operating System. Ah-oom. The Operating System. Mac OS X version 4.1.2.3.4.5.6.7 Tigerrrrr. Ah-oom. Oooh, aaah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, eeeeh, aaaaaaah. Oh Steve. zzzzzzzzzzz.

Thanks for posting this - even as a Windows Vista beta tester I appreciate the humour (and I hate these huge icons, whatever the desktop environment - OS X, Linux KDE, or Windows "Aero").

BTW, One useful side effect of you having to move the videos to You Tube - I can watch them from my Solaris x86 laptop... shame Apple can't be bothered to write a Unix/Linux QuickTime player...

LOL, what's with all the MAC fanboys? Guess what kiddies, OSX is already on X86, and there's nothing that you little Apple Bum-Fuckers can do about it. Put it this way, Jobs has sold out to Intel. The new MACs are now PC's.

... Or maybe it's because Jobs finally realized that the PPC structure sucked, and came to his senses that Microsoft (and other x86 based OS's) were doing it right all along?

LOL Mac 3l33ts. You're nothing but PC users now!

PS. TO ALL PPC FANBOYS:

How does it feel? You know, to lose?

Since OSX is on x86 right now, I'm going to install it on another partition, so I can play with the GUI.

Then, when I want to do something USEFUL, I'll switch over to Windows or Linux.

Catcha later!

CLiDE = Clueless Loser, Idiotic, Drooling and Empty-headed...

Or

Chips are Logically Ignored - Demand Excellence instead...

LOL!

This is fun. This idiot thinks that only a processor determines the quality of an operating system.

Go and do your usefull stuff instead of talking crap.

Finally the engine has found the perfect car! Windows is like a Fiat Panda with a mercedes engine...CLiDE...

Clide see how that works. The x86 version of OSX was a beta and was hacked onto an x86 machine. It's slow as hell and buggy as hell if you try to install it.

And how does changing a processor sell out a company? PPC was good. It's just it couldn't go past a certain GHZ effectively and was less energy-efficient or battery-efficient. They saw Intel would let them increase the GHZ and make it less battery intensive and heat producing. So you're saying just because PPC was the best choice a couple years ago, Apple should stubbornly stick with it when theres a better processor to use? Isn't that what half you assholes are complaining about? Isn't that why the one-button mouse is so "unholy and blasphemous to god?" I don't use a one-button mouse. Macs have had multiple button mice for years and years. Apple just never packed them in, favoring a one button mouse for god knows why. But do I care? Just buy a twobutton mouse for like $20 or use the one you already have with your PC. OSX will recognize any mouse as long as it isn't PS/2.

And everyone shut up. This is stupid. People who want games and apps that they're company needs will get a PC. Or if you're really careful and don't have kids that will download Wild Tangent and fuck everything up. People who want everything else should get a Mac.

You know the reason I have a Mac? My mom has a Dell Inspiron 9XXX laptop. I have to fix it all the time and she's always going "can you come here? My window dissapeared" but of course the window didn't dissapear, it was just behind another window. I'm sure Windows Vista will be great. No one can deny it's not a blatant ripoff but at least it's catching up OS-feature-wise. It's better to be ripping off than to be behind. I personally thing XP is a mess but that's not why people buy it. It's because it gets lots of software and gets tons of games. I play games on my Mac and there are enough for me but if I was more into Computer Games, I would have bought a PC. I can just play my Xbox 360...which is the most innovative thing I have ever seen from Microsoft. But Microsoft doesn't need innovation. All they need is support from Third Parties and dedicated fanboys that act like assholes to anyone who doesn't praise Bill Gates as their lord and savior. I'm not dissing Windows. I'm just saying both Mac people and Windows people should stop fighitng over this. Both sides need different things from their computers.

You know it is quite astounding that some tool thinks that changing processor means giving in.

I don't want to be rude but it is astounding that some idiot wants to make the processor and issue of OS.

It's like they really haven't a clue.

Windows is a nice, cheap (Hah, Hah) OS that has many, many useless pieces of software available for it. So what if the security sucks, the OS is unstable, it's massive with redundant and superfluous code and the software packages that are available are as useful as a refrigerator in the north pole, it has lots of adware and lots of entertaining viruses. You'd never be bored.

I'm sure Vista, since it is developed with the same underlying philosophy, will share the many features that we've become so fond of in all other MS packages. I mean, if it wasn't for viruses and adware, we'd all be pretty bored wouldn't we.

Love that MS stuff - never a dull moment!

Have Fun, one and all.

A. Spatz

I think the reason why OSX would be safer than Windows even if it had 97% is because of its Unix haratige. To intall anything in Unix you need the admin password, if someone gained access to your system thats nice, but what could they do? they would have to have all of your pass words to do anything or even change a file, if Apple kept it the same then it should be a safe reliable system, The prolem with Windows is that everyone is the Admin unless you set up everyone as a restricted user and have one admin account. I personally use Linux, but work with Windows since I'm a system admin, people are just used to it. I think you will see Windows taking a lot of things from the Linux community, such as admin privlages. In the Linux world we've had somthing like the glass and the flipping for a while, its called project looking glass, a total 3d desktop environment, even the wall paper moves and is active. The games thing is kinda over hyped i mean common if i can get new games on Linux i know i can get game on Mac if I wanted too. I think the OS will eventually be a comodity, MS will eventually use the BSD kernel just like OSX, and you will just have to pick your desktop environment. Windows does need to beef up security, seriously, IE stinks, and their firewall is a joke. Apple needs to do somthing about safari, a lot of sites tell you you cant use it so you need Firefox or Opera. And us in the Linux Community well we need to play catch up, its not yet ready for consumers, though some are like Linspire, and Xandros, but over all in terms of usability we need some major improvements. To be fair we've only been around for half of what Apple and MS have been around for.

i think mac os better than windows, i don't have to worried about registry. thank God i have been switch

check this out Windows > Mac OS X > FlyakiteOSX

http://www.FlyakiteOSX.com/ is a transformation pack. It will transform the look of an ordinary Windows XP+ system to resemble the look of Mac OS X.

Screenshots:

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Its funny to read this, been an Mac user for long time always made a strange effect on my windows friends, the constant bombardment of question, some like "wheres the cd tray?" when i had the iMac and now the eMac or why you dont have to install drivers? when I hooked on any USB device I wanted. Some windows fanatics can flame Apple and their products all they want, but never be enougth to change our minds, those of us who like the best computer in terms of performance, security, ease of use, design and all the cool apps will choose a Mac, hands down. Yeah, we are proud to use them, we are proud of our investment, we are happy not to reboot the machine as window people has, we are more than happy that our OS keep us safe from Viruses, spyware or any other danger. We are proud to see how Apple is growing and growing , bringing new and better products, We are happy to see that today Apples stock is $85.58, $55.00 above DELL, we are also proud to have the best reviews of our products and services as is Apple Support that year after year makes the #1. We are happy users of a gret combo of software and hardware that its delivered as one.

And today we are more happy cause Apple/Jobs made eat Michael Dell words back in 1997. He said: "I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

"Apple is worth more than Dell" $72.13 billion, passing Dell's value of $71.97 billion.

Hahaha, U know we are more happy with Apple than ever.

BTW, this is a Mac forum, why windows users keep coming to flame about, its that they are so in love with Macs but their pride dont allow them to embrace it ?

Windows is cheaply made and sold expensive!

Bill even seems to have no time (or money, don't know what the problem is) to design his own icons. I just got a new spv smartphone with windows mobile on it (and I already regret it).

And guess? The icon for wireless (bluetooth/wifi -settings) is simply STOLEN from mac's Isync-icon. I wish I could make a screenshot for those who are interested...poor guys at Windows. Seem to have no self respect.

I am a Windows XP Pro user, on my Fujitsu-Siemens laptop. Do I play games? Yes. Do I use my laptop for playing games? No.

Macs do not support so many programs as windows does, but what programs do I need for my laptop? I checked out EVERY program that I have installed on my pc, and found out that they all EXIST for mac as well. And I knew a lot about macs before I just bought my new laptop, and I were really keen on having one. But, the PowerBook G4, 15", who has exactly the same spec as the one I am using now, costed 17.000 kr. The Fujitsu-Siemens costed 6 000. That meens that I had to pay three times as much as for the FS! And the FS pc had a really cool design, so all I were after were the Tiger OS, which is really stunning! But a highschool boy like me, cant afford that, so I have to go for a cheap Windows bases PC. And it is great!

While OS X is (in my eyes) a 1000x better looking than Xp, and more easy to use, XP works fine for me. I really want a mac, but I would be thrilled with just the OS X Tiger on an ordenary computer! (I know about the x86 projekt, even downloaded it, and its crap, in the way that it is slow as hell!)

So im my point of view, Windows is for stasionary computers, which you can run games, and do whatever you like on. But on laptops, OS X Tiger is king, when the need for games on them are little, and the most of the other software you need, is available.

My thoughs only folks, nobody is right or wrong here.

I switched to mac when desktops were invented. I was using dos at the time. I often wonder if the friction between mac and windows users is not innovation but the difference between interfaces. I remember when a dos friend of mine came up to me very excited about the new windows interface. I sort of shrugged it off and felt a little odd, because he was obviously devoted to non mac aps. I couldn't figure out if he wanted me to come back to the fold (misery loves company) or just wanted to seem on par. I actually pity windows users, probably because I like them as people and want better for them. They are usually very intelligent in a focused way (you would have to, to be proficient at such a problematic interface!), but don't seem to be able to grasp that computers should be built for users and not for programmers.

I also have a friend that hates mac that is a programmer. He hates mac because as a programmer he was shut out of the mac interface twice and still holds a grudge. I see this as possibly underlying the usage problem. wintel machines were made to tinker with, macs are made to tinker on. wintel is a whole different approach and to make is user friendly seems to undercut its advantages.

All this aside we should be glad there are such two different approaches to this facinating arena.

Without the intention of getting into an OS battle, I just want to add productively and state my reason for using Windows and not the Mac, even though I use a Mac all too often in my Univ. Lab.

Hardware vise I now have an IBM Thinkpad that cost me $1977 that I purchased this december, so price was not the issue.

As electrical engineers, we need to use applications like Cadence (for circuits design), Microcontroller Programming tools like Codewarior, IT Guru (computer network development tool), Mathcad (provided by Univ). It is difficult for anyone in the engineering field to completely dispose windows.

Though, on a users stand point of view, I really like OSX over Windows and Apple has got more things right in making the OS apealing to the user and the invaluable advantage of seamless integration because they make the hardware & the software.

But windows also has its advantages. The high end oscilloscopes, network analysers and some radars I worked with all use windows OS!! Its really amazing how much diverse hardware they have managed to address with the same OS. But doing this requires a install-driver type of approach, issues of unstability.

So to conclude, my chosen line of profession benefits from windows as of now and I think both MacOS and WindowsOS has their abilities & dis-abilities.

Cheers!

Without the intention of getting into an OS battle, I just want to add productively and state my reason for using Windows and not the Mac, even though I use a Mac all too often in my Univ. Lab.

Hardware vise I now have an IBM Thinkpad that cost me $1977 that I purchased this december, so price was not the issue.

As electrical engineers, we need to use applications like Cadence (for circuits design), Microcontroller Programming tools like Codewarior, IT Guru (computer network development tool), Mathcad (provided by Univ). It is difficult for anyone in the engineering field to completely dispose windows.

Though, on a users stand point of view, I really like OSX over Windows and Apple has got more things right in making the OS apealing to the user and the invaluable advantage of seamless integration because they make the hardware & the software.

But windows also has its advantages. The high end oscilloscopes, network analysers and some radars I worked with all use windows OS!! Its really amazing how much diverse hardware they have managed to address with the same OS. But doing this requires a install-driver type of approach, issues of unstability.

So to conclude, my chosen line of profession benefits from windows as of now and I think both MacOS and WindowsOS has their abilities & dis-abilities.

Cheers!

for a clissic Microsoft vs Apple difference, please take your time to watch http://www.microsoft.com/winme/0601/25904/CES_Keyn...

Gosh!! thank you for tat vista keynote link... Mcrosoft for total world domination. Folks, Microsoft Windows is not only going to be inside your TV, Mobilephone, bathroom mirror, kitchen, airport launge, regular home phone, car etc.. etc.. but they are all going to be integrated to operate exchanging information with each other etc. etc... See the keynote for more ifo.

Right now, if its only the computer, then MacOS may be better, but soon Microsoft will be leaving Apple in the dust....

When Steeve Jobs talk of the compnplace software, Gates's keynote is a demo of true science fiction.

No I am not a gates fac... just reflecting some reality here.

It's the point that Windows is finally getting these features, not that they are original, I think.

Always with this endless and idiotic competition. You should be happy that we're progressing!

-Satsuki : )

I've been a DOS/Windows user since 1992 and only recently got a PowerBook G4 17". I am the type of person who likes to delve into "new" technologies and take things apart, forcing myself to find things to hate and love about each thing, and that's what I've exclusively been doing with the PowerBook the past month (not using WinXP at all during this entire time.)

I absolutely love many of the features the MacOSX offers (Expose, Wallpaper switching every x minutes though that's been available w/ 3rd party software), ease of installation/uninstallation of apps, underlying UNIX layer that's accessible through the Terminal, etc), but there are also many things I do NOT like about it.

The Finder is one -- it seems by far inferior to Windows Explorer, yet intuitive in other ways. As someone also brought up, it seems harder with MacOS X to see all running windows at the same time whereas Windows has the tabs at the bottom doing so. Expose is a nifty feature and that helps somewhat.

I could not yet find a "Drive Mapping"-like feature on MacOS X yet where it'd automatically re-map a Windows network share upon login. I created a Network Mappings folder instead with Aliases pointing to those drives.

MacOS X boots up quite quickly and the shutdown time isn't that bad either.

Resizing of windows is definitely better in Windows where you could just grab any of the corners or sides.

I like many of the unique features of Safari, but of course, many websites are still programmed for Internet Explorer, especially when it comes to video (via WMV) -- WMV is proprietary to MS and although you can make it work in MacOS X, it's still a bit buggy/slow. QuickTime is a great format.

In terms of stability, it really depends. As stated, I have been in the IT industry for quite some time and have even taught network engineer-levelm, hands-on (yes, real hands-on) courses, and my experience shows that there are some installations that work flawlessly and some that are buggy as heck for no apparent reason. My own Dell Inspiron XPS2 laptop has been running just fine with the exception of two or so blue screens, but I seriously think it's a Dell hardware design flaw for various reasons. My previous Inspiron 8600 ran great for years. The MacOS X on the PowerBook G4 17" runs stable for the most part but I've been running into some peculiar times where the computer just refused to wake up after yet-unknown events involving power management. I'm sure it could be resolved if I do a fresh install of the OS myself rather than using Apple's provided image. Imaged OSes tend to have bloated stuff on them that could cause crashes. When an app crashes in MacOS X, a kill is usually all it takes. I have run into instances where a forced reboot was necessary -- perhaps 3 or 4 times the past month. It hasn't happened that often lately after performing the latest Tiger update that was recently released. When Finder crashes, the OS needs to be restarted most of the time -- I have not yet found a way to restart the Finder yet once it's killed. In Windows, you can do so from Task Manager > File > Run > Explorer [Enter]. The PowerBook has had crashes where the computer stopped responding at all for no apparent reason. I somehow attribute this to various hardware factors, but it has only happened once or twice since I got the laptop.

Innovation and who invented it first... I don't really care about that. I just care about what is available and if it fits my needs. If someone can make an idea better, go for it. I just hope it eventually gets implemented into whichever OS I would like to use.

The MacOS X is simple to use in many regards, but also difficult in others. So is Windows. They both got their pros and cons, just like anything in life.

The biggest hurdle for me though is that the MacOS X does lack some of the powerful application